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Hi all,
New to the group. I produce my own tracks using Live and a ton of filters and plugins (NI mostly). I release the tracks as well as play them live blended as a set. I first tried playing all the als tracks in one session but on most laptops, even my Duo Core 2 Ghz with 1.5 GB RAM etc, the CPU and disk fail after 2-3 minutes. I then tried freezing tracks, but this also created small glitches when the disk or CPU maxed, so I settled with Rendering the tracks as 24 bit 48000 sample wavs, and creating an arrangement with the wavs, blended with all the DJ moves (equilization, volume, filters, all automated), the set is an hour long and so far it has stood true on this laptop through several live gigs without a glitch.
Yes - I miss having all my clips to manipulate, but at the end of the day, performing live you CANNOT have issues, so this seems the safest way.
Any comments?
I tried rendering as 24 bit 196000 sample, but cant tell the difference.
Marty
New to the group. I produce my own tracks using Live and a ton of filters and plugins (NI mostly). I release the tracks as well as play them live blended as a set. I first tried playing all the als tracks in one session but on most laptops, even my Duo Core 2 Ghz with 1.5 GB RAM etc, the CPU and disk fail after 2-3 minutes. I then tried freezing tracks, but this also created small glitches when the disk or CPU maxed, so I settled with Rendering the tracks as 24 bit 48000 sample wavs, and creating an arrangement with the wavs, blended with all the DJ moves (equilization, volume, filters, all automated), the set is an hour long and so far it has stood true on this laptop through several live gigs without a glitch.
Yes - I miss having all my clips to manipulate, but at the end of the day, performing live you CANNOT have issues, so this seems the safest way.
Any comments?
I tried rendering as 24 bit 196000 sample, but cant tell the difference.
Marty
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Re: Playing live in Live with own tracks - a solution
Fri, August 24, 2007 - 6:52 PMHad the same problem, upgraded to 2 gb of RAM, haven't had any issues with it since and I generally go for about 2 hours... I did a lot of research on this when I first started and I was concerned that my MacBook was going to prove to be problematic and I thought was going to be really angry with myself for not holding out for an MBP, but aparantly 2 gigs of ram seems to be the sweet spot with Live. This was posted in many many a forumn, and for the last three months I can safely say that this seems to be pretty true. I will say that I don't use any VST's or AU's, but I just freeze and flatten the clips of those I want to use when I want to mix a long set. -
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Re: Playing live in Live with own tracks - a solution
Tue, August 28, 2007 - 4:43 PMI have always run audio, and often song data too, from a separate drive from the boot drive, on towers or laptops. An old habit, maybe not as necessary with current laptops as before, but... (It's also nice to have my crucial tracks on a separate drive from the laptop in case the laptop crashes irreparably, though of course backups are still essential.)
Currently with my MBP and my old PB G4 (there being still some things that haven't been UB'd) I use an external Firewire drive (a portable Glyph) for the audio and this seems to help, the rationale being that the internal HD doesn't have to work as hard trying to juggle running aspects of the OS, the app and the audio I/O. Unix OSes, like OS X, and Wintel OSes both seem to automatically use a fair amount of virtual RAM from the boot disk, AFAIK, which increases the demands on it. The more RAM you have the less it it needs to do that, but it seems to do some of that anyway even with maximum RAM.
I always max out the RAM on any 'puter I buy. It's the cheapest bang for the buck you can get. You can never have too much, especially if you're an audio plug-in junkie.
Using another drive and buying the RAM upfront adds to the overall cost, sure, but I look at it as still cheaper than the old days of buying hardware synths, FX racks, and mixers, thanks to the amount of power you get from all the softsynths and FX plugz.
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Re: Playing live in Live with own tracks - a solution
Tue, October 2, 2007 - 9:54 AMthe main problem is probably NI- NI plugins (both synth and fx) tend to hog memory insanely - that is why I usually stay away from both NI and waves- if you are on PC you should try searching through www.audiomastermind.com/browse...-1.html I often find it a good place to find links to freeware vst's that I can replace more bloated versions that don't work live (and a lot of other interesting things)
I am running right now on a core duo 1.6 with 1g and with my latency way down almost never run into any snags (unless I am doing more than say 10 or 12 tracks with a delay on them simultaneously) and haven't had a crash yet- I had some issues on my old p4 with 512 but that was expected.
one question is- what OS are you on? and have you trimmed it to keep it from sucking system resources because that caould also be a huge factor- esp. if you are using vista where your system would be adequate to run the OS vs. XP where your system would fly. -
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Re: Playing live in Live with own tracks - a solution
Tue, October 2, 2007 - 1:12 PMI'm using NI Kontakt and East West Colossus, as well as other synths... I always try to have the programs be specific in which instrument they're using... some of them will load a whole bank of instruments, chowing my RAM.
With these multitrack complex songs, I've been respecting the limitations of my machine (Asus Z62FM, Intel T7200 2GHZ, 2G RAM).
I created a partition and installed Windows XP, again, with only Live and NI programs... everything else is disabled... No internet... etc.
Still, the machine has limitations. These programs just keep getting more and more hungry for resources, as the machines get more powerful...
As tedious as it may seem, I'm resolving to rendering to audio...
Perhaps a desktop machine w/ a Quad Core and 6Gb of RAM will be capable of creating 6-12 or more tracks of MIDI synth instruments...
but, I really like the footprint of my laptop... and, the power bill. -
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Re: Playing live in Live with own tracks - a solution
Tue, October 2, 2007 - 1:53 PMI get audio clipping at about 50% cpu usage on my G5 desktop with 2 gigs RAM. I'm told 4 gigs is a minimum standard by a friend. I need to upgrade...gah!!!
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